'The effigies are absolutely self-defeating in every single way.'
"It's vile, it's depressing in many ways," he said.
"All they do is undermine our historical and cultural history, you know, so I don't know what they're trying to achieve by this but it's absolutely negative and every single thing that they do." "These bonfires are, are huge ... they are truly incredible, but I do believe that they're getting out of control in many ways – in their scale and their height," he said."Take away those who put effigies and what have you on it, but those who don't, there's a real pride with some of their bonfires."
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